When I was in band the teachers didn't want us using the marching b-tones at every school I went to. I don't know why. One school I went to used 4 valve uprights (euphoniums)Now they use the marching b-tones. I was told at the time that they are hard to keep tuned (but this was a corpstyle school and they would tell us anything) Another school said that they didn't want to use the 'new' instruments (but she let her old school barrow them) My first high school had those raggedy yamaha Uprights that were good for cranking but not much else.
You get more projection with marching baritones (and I guess the curved bell uprights) simply because of the bell. I remember when I played the four valve our section would turn to the side...we didnt have curved bells...Euphoniums and uprights were easy to play but hell to march with...
(oldwise) Not tryin to be rude at all but you should do a little more research on YOUR instrument, ur band director misinformed u im sorry...oh and the correct terminology is what is the difference between a "baritone" and a "euphonium" :-)
I KNOW My band director misinformed me..Why would a school buy 15 horns that they couldnt tune?.And those WERE euphoniums we marched with there...They had all kinds of low 3 valve brass there. as a matter of fact, They had 3 valve uprights with curved bell, the Euphoniums we marched with and a whole shelf of marching baritones we were told only to use when we ran out of the Euphoniums. They WERE hard to tune (mainly because of upkeep) but not untunable like the directors were saying... Like I said these were corps style directors at a black school marching corps style who hated anything SWAC, Meac, or anything else that wasn't heel toe. Think of a class full of black kids listening to a director talk bad about the colleges the kids want to go to...They would say anything!
...Also, except DCI who uses marching Euphoniums? hmmmm.....
He said that they misinformed them on purpose so they wouldn't complain in his post.
B-ToneExpressFamu98 said:
(oldwise) Not tryin to be rude at all but you should do a little more research on YOUR instrument, ur band director misinformed u im sorry...oh and the correct terminology is what is the difference between a "baritone" and a "euphonium" :-)
A compensating [3 + 1 valve] euphonium. Large bell flare/throat and bore. Conical with the exception of the valves. Medium [euro] or large shank. [Concert if you will.]
A baritone. Smaller bore and bell flare. More cylindrical than a euph but vastly more conical than a tbone. Small shank, large in rare cases dependent on manufacturer/model. Can also come in compensating valve configurations.
An american style bell-front euphonium. Large or small shank. Bore size and bell flare roughly equal with a concert euph [smaller]. 3 or 4 valves.
Marching Baritone. The one that is probably the most recognizable out of all of these. 3 valves. Equal in specs with the baritone above. Small or large shank depending on make.
marching euphonium. Roughly the same bore/bell size as the american style bellfront baritone. takes a large shank mouthpiece. NSU, A&T, FAMU, and a few other schools use these.
I figured a visual aid might clear up a few things, excuse the space it takes up. Essentially it's the same instrument, with the main differences being how the tubing is placed, the bore size, and the sound. As someone stated before the bell fronts/marching variants are designed with projection or an outdoor setting in mind, whereas the concert variations are focused on sound being reflected off of other surfaces [as in a large concert hall].
I would suggest those who are genuinely interested in a more technical explanation [or more baritone links] to visit: http://www.dwerden.com/eu-articles.cfm
The articles are on the left toolbar.
Euphonium Articles
Articles about baritones and euphoniums, compensating systems for euphonium, and buying a euphonium.
Thanks...I know I wasn't crazy...the fourth valve was on top with the rest on ours and we had the option to use a strap. If corps style school really had their way most schools would be marching contra-basses!....corps schools march with anything!
I saw a clip of NSU's euphonium section on here years ago...
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When I was in band the teachers didn't want us using the marching b-tones at every school I went to. I don't know why. One school I went to used 4 valve uprights (euphoniums)Now they use the marching b-tones. I was told at the time that they are hard to keep tuned (but this was a corpstyle school and they would tell us anything) Another school said that they didn't want to use the 'new' instruments (but she let her old school barrow them) My first high school had those raggedy yamaha Uprights that were good for cranking but not much else.
You get more projection with marching baritones (and I guess the curved bell uprights) simply because of the bell. I remember when I played the four valve our section would turn to the side...we didnt have curved bells...Euphoniums and uprights were easy to play but hell to march with...
Phillip Mack said:
(oldwise) Not tryin to be rude at all but you should do a little more research on YOUR instrument, ur band director misinformed u im sorry...oh and the correct terminology is what is the difference between a "baritone" and a "euphonium" :-)
This was in the early 90's
I KNOW My band director misinformed me..Why would a school buy 15 horns that they couldnt tune?.And those WERE euphoniums we marched with there...They had all kinds of low 3 valve brass there. as a matter of fact, They had 3 valve uprights with curved bell, the Euphoniums we marched with and a whole shelf of marching baritones we were told only to use when we ran out of the Euphoniums. They WERE hard to tune (mainly because of upkeep) but not untunable like the directors were saying... Like I said these were corps style directors at a black school marching corps style who hated anything SWAC, Meac, or anything else that wasn't heel toe. Think of a class full of black kids listening to a director talk bad about the colleges the kids want to go to...They would say anything!
...Also, except DCI who uses marching Euphoniums? hmmmm.....
B-ToneExpressFamu98 said:
A baritone. Smaller bore and bell flare. More cylindrical than a euph but vastly more conical than a tbone. Small shank, large in rare cases dependent on manufacturer/model. Can also come in compensating valve configurations.
An american style bell-front euphonium. Large or small shank. Bore size and bell flare roughly equal with a concert euph [smaller]. 3 or 4 valves.
marching euphonium. Roughly the same bore/bell size as the american style bellfront baritone. takes a large shank mouthpiece. NSU, A&T, FAMU, and a few other schools use these.
I figured a visual aid might clear up a few things, excuse the space it takes up. Essentially it's the same instrument, with the main differences being how the tubing is placed, the bore size, and the sound. As someone stated before the bell fronts/marching variants are designed with projection or an outdoor setting in mind, whereas the concert variations are focused on sound being reflected off of other surfaces [as in a large concert hall].
I would suggest those who are genuinely interested in a more technical explanation [or more baritone links] to visit: http://www.dwerden.com/eu-articles.cfm
The articles are on the left toolbar.
Thanks...I know I wasn't crazy...the fourth valve was on top with the rest on ours and we had the option to use a strap. If corps style school really had their way most schools would be marching contra-basses!....corps schools march with anything!
I saw a clip of NSU's euphonium section on here years ago...