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Does UIL score fair or Are our bands just that inferior ?

Posted by Goldy_1914 on October 18, 2010 at 8:25am

Serious question: 

 

Tomorrow is Region 23 Marching UIL for Houston ISD, Katy ISD and Alief ISD.  Last year was kinda weird.  Only the Katy schools and Waltrip made First Divisions while everybody else made 3s, even Westside got a Division 2.  This year more HISD schools are on that list:

 

Westside

Davis

Waltrip

Austin

Sterling

Reagan

Lamar

Bellaire

Milby

 

 

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  • SG862 October 18, 2010 at 8:39am
    I actually believe they do grade fairly because for one main reason, the judges know what to look for. We had a show that could have made a Division II but because we missed 2 sets and that made the music get off, we were bumped to a III. I just think its all the work. The corps bands care about UIL as we show bands care about BOTB. Plain and simple.
  • oldwise2 October 18, 2010 at 9:33am
    Every band in HISD is getting better yearly...I cant see Westside getting a low score. Also there is alot of bias against HISD bands period no matter what style they march. Alot of people went to schools/colleges that blasted anything that wasn't corpstyle (except military). I had a few band directors back in the day that were like this and most were fresh out of college. I am sure they are still teaching somewhere today, and I am also sure they are judging UIL competitions.

    If some of these judges know your band marches showstyle 80% of the time there might be some that write them off just because.

    Those Alief schools should just do both styles. I can't see them surviving the next 10 years...demographic changes. Alot of kids are interested in band out there they just not interested in corpstyle marching. Schools that do both seem to keep more members. But thats a district thing so....
  • ClevePVU October 18, 2010 at 11:52am
    There is some bias, but some of the reasons we don't get the scores we want at contest/festival are the same reason why we may not score well at BOTBs:

    Stepping off and stopping together - self explanatory

    Formations - Do they connect together well? If it's straight lines, are they straight? Are your curves/arcs smooth, or are people all over the place?

    Musicianship - Can you hear all the parts equally? Do the background parts overshadow the melody? Do the main lines carry over the band? Do the percussion parts match the style of the piece?

    We got a 3-4-3 Saturday, and the comments given were the same as what were the same as what we've been telling the kids all along.
  • Mc Lyte October 18, 2010 at 12:00pm
    Ok im 4rm Dallas n I think it that its kind of fair but not at the same time cuz it seems lik it hard for a show style band to get 1s but its easy as hell for a corp style band to get it i mean its lik if we aint playing songs that comes out of old music books,marching on our tippy toes r heels,and making weird drills on the field then they judge us lower n its not fair i think they shud have at least 1 show style band judge r sumthing for show style bands.....lets jus say da band kids isnt the only 1s thinkin lik that directors are too.....
  • BIG-AL October 18, 2010 at 12:01pm
    ..I AGREE WITH THIS STATMENT......... AT HISD WE GOt 2s.... JUST FOR DOING A PEAICE OF A SHOW..because we didnt have it finshied.. well thats what the judges paper said.. even thought they didnt give scores..... so i thing marching/showstyle bands cane make 1's in uikl.. but like you said all we(SHOWSTYLE BANDS) care about is BOTBS... and all the (CORPSTYLE BANDS) care about is UIL... nice point ..... yall have to keep topic like this one comming.!!!!<</b>br/>

    SG862 said:
    I actually believe they do grade fairly because for one main reason, the judges know what to look for. We had a show that could have made a Division II but because we missed 2 sets and that made the music get off, we were bumped to a III. I just think its all the work. The corps bands care about UIL as we show bands care about BOTB. Plain and simple.
    Does UIL score fair or Are our bands just that inferior ?
    Serious question:    Tomorrow is Region 23 Marching UIL for Houston ISD, Katy ISD and Alief ISD.  Last year was kinda weird.  Only the Katy schools a…
  • Chris October 18, 2010 at 2:25pm
    Show bands that try to march corp are horrible. High School bands dont have time nor discipline to learn two styles of marching. one, your ears have to be tuned for what "tone" is.

    Playing "soft" doesnt mean youre tuned.. Blastissimo doesnt mean powerful.

    You dont march on your tippy toes. You roooooolll your feet. Horns are always facing the press box.


    I heard some bands tuning up (if you wanna call it that) at Houstons little festival last week... Horrible! I didnt even buy a ticket.


    Mc Lyte said:
    Ok im 4rm Dallas n I think it that its kind of fair but not at the same time cuz it seems lik it hard for a show style band to get 1s but its easy as hell for a corp style band to get it i mean its lik if we aint playing songs that comes out of old music books,marching on our tippy toes r heels,and making weird drills on the field then they judge us lower n its not fair i think they shud have at least 1 show style band judge r sumthing for show style bands.....lets jus say da band kids isnt the only 1s thinkin lik that directors are too.....
    Does UIL score fair or Are our bands just that inferior ?
    Serious question:    Tomorrow is Region 23 Marching UIL for Houston ISD, Katy ISD and Alief ISD.  Last year was kinda weird.  Only the Katy schools a…
  • BIG-AL October 18, 2010 at 2:59pm
    AH!!!!! HA!!!! ANOTHER GOOD POINT...... BUT I WASNT ONE OF THOSE BANDS THAT TUNE UP HORRIBLE..LOL... PLUS......I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET ONES AND BE A MARHING (SHOWBAND).. IF WILLIORIDGE CAN DO IT ,THEN SO CAN EVERYBODY ELES. THE TOE ROLE IS IMPORTANT.. BUT I THINK YOU CAN STILL GET A ONE WITH OUT DOING IT.....ALL THE JUDGES ARE ASKING FOR IS FOR US (SHOW BANDS) TO ATLEAST SOUND DESENT AND LOOK AND PLAY TOGETHERE. THATS NOT REALLY HARD AT ALL... AS A MATER OF FACT.. THAT SHOULD BE ANYONE, THATS A DIRECTORS BASIC GOAL... I MEAN IF YOU DONT ATLEAST HAVE THOSES SIMPLE THINGS....WHY EVEN BOTHER COMMING.. YOU CAN NOT HAVE FULL INSTUMENTATION AND STILL LOOK GOOD, SOUND DESENCT, AND PLAY TOGETHERE.

    NOW THE REAL QUESTION IS DO (SHOW BANDS) WANT TO AT LEAST TRY ??????..LMAO

    Chris - Pinnacle of Hummanity... said:
    Show bands that try to march corp are horrible. High School bands dont have time nor discipline to learn two styles of marching. one, your ears have to be tuned for what "tone" is.

    Playing "soft" doesnt mean youre tuned.. Blastissimo doesnt mean powerful.

    You dont march on your tippy toes. You roooooolll your feet. Horns are always facing the press box.


    I heard some bands tuning up (if you wanna call it that) at Houstons little festival last week... Horrible! I didnt even buy a ticket.


    Mc Lyte said:
    Ok im 4rm Dallas n I think it that its kind of fair but not at the same time cuz it seems lik it hard for a show style band to get 1s but its easy as hell for a corp style band to get it i mean its lik if we aint playing songs that comes out of old music books,marching on our tippy toes r heels,and making weird drills on the field then they judge us lower n its not fair i think they shud have at least 1 show style band judge r sumthing for show style bands.....lets jus say da band kids isnt the only 1s thinkin lik that directors are too.....
    Does UIL score fair or Are our bands just that inferior ?
    Serious question:    Tomorrow is Region 23 Marching UIL for Houston ISD, Katy ISD and Alief ISD.  Last year was kinda weird.  Only the Katy schools a…
  • SG862 October 18, 2010 at 7:48pm
    mhmmm. and like Mr. Harris stated about formations and music and knowing the basics. Once the students know what to do since all three can relate from both styles, the band can get 1s at UIL and then go to any BOTB n place 1st there. For basically hitting the formations right, having a nice balence sound(balenced and power for show) also knowing the music, and knowing the actual style and knowing how to stay with the band as one instead of there being a bunch of individuals out on the field doing something that the crowd nor the judges understand

    My band went last Tuesday and we missed Set 4 and Set 6 of our beginning piece, Set 6 was supposed to lead to Set 1 of the following tune. IDK how we got to it but we did and becuase we found our groove back n did not show the mistake of the formation. The judges counted that the music was good but got confused on the formations but since we fixed ourselfs, we earned 3s...which is a great improvment from last year. Now here is the shocker...we had ONE STUDENT, only ONE!!!! fail out....as compared to last year, HALF the band failed....see any improvment?

    but back to Mr. Harris' point, when you know all 3 points from both styles, everythign should fall right into place...all you need is the kids to show up to learn it all! and ANY program knows how hard it is to get the full band at a practice!


    BIG-AL said:
    ..I AGREE WITH THIS STATMENT......... AT HISD WE GOt 2s.... JUST FOR DOING A PEAICE OF A SHOW..because we didnt have it finshied.. well thats what the judges paper said.. even thought they didnt give scores..... so i thing marching/showstyle bands cane make 1's in uikl.. but like you said all we(SHOWSTYLE BANDS) care about is BOTBS... and all the (CORPSTYLE BANDS) care about is UIL... nice point ..... yall have to keep topic like this one comming.!!!!/b>br/>

    SG862 said:
    I actually believe they do grade fairly because for one main reason, the judges know what to look for. We had a show that could have made a Division II but because we missed 2 sets and that made the music get off, we were bumped to a III. I just think its all the work. The corps bands care about UIL as we show bands care about BOTB. Plain and simple.
    Does UIL score fair or Are our bands just that inferior ?
    Serious question:    Tomorrow is Region 23 Marching UIL for Houston ISD, Katy ISD and Alief ISD.  Last year was kinda weird.  Only the Katy schools a…
  • Blazin20s October 18, 2010 at 9:35pm
    Ronald Thorton's Willowridge proved the fairness of UIL judging
    There are some items on the scoring rubric that are questionable
    However: Everyone learns the same fundamentals. And "strong fundamentals" is the single-most important entity that earns good scores.
    Acquiring exceptional fundamental skills takes CONSIDERABLE PRACTICE!

    If you dont practice, then you wont progress.
  • Chris October 18, 2010 at 10:18pm
    UIL has always been fair, theres no fairness to prove. You go out there and perform to high musical / marching standards, you score high. When you dont you get what you deserve.


    Blazin20s said:
    Ronald Thorton's Willowridge proved the fairness of UIL judging
    There are some items on the scoring rubric that are questionable
    However: Everyone learns the same fundamentals. And "strong fundamentals" is the single-most important entity that earns good scores.
    Acquiring exceptional fundamental skills takes CONSIDERABLE PRACTICE!

    If you dont practice, then you wont progress.
    Does UIL score fair or Are our bands just that inferior ?
    Serious question:    Tomorrow is Region 23 Marching UIL for Houston ISD, Katy ISD and Alief ISD.  Last year was kinda weird.  Only the Katy schools a…
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