i always seem to admire a school that only hires their own to operate the music program,but at the same time wonder how band A can talk about band Bs tradition when almost no1 on their staff even wore the uniform.or how rich and deep your tradition is when in fact you arent even operating in that tradition now with the uniform on.which in turns means that somewhere along the line your tradition has been lost or severely altered,but because the shell is there u feel you still have that tradition.
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you learn it, respect it and see that your students do the same...jackson's doin a pretty good job of it imo...idk about murray tho =p i kno evans at uapb doin good on the tradition thing...gipp at txsu...
but all our directors marched for GSU...(and i'll just stop there)
Just because SU has an "alum-first" or "band department alum first" hiring process doesn't mean "tradition" at other schools that don't have it is laxed. For example, the head BD at Texas Southern University was in the original Ocean of Soul. The Ocean of Soul does NOT have it's own Band Department (just like Alcorn State University) and therefore is funded through the athletic department FIRST then to the school of Liberal Arts and then to musical organizations like band, choir, chamber orchestra etc. The template for the Ocean came from TnSU with Ben Butler, the Ocean's FIRST director.
My thoughts on tradition are this: If what worked well for your band prior to 1990 was what had been established for at least 10yrs, don't change it. Improve on it and keep stepping and that's for any organization to keep it pure. Hiring alums first out of preference is NOT as universal as you might think or as feasible.
I must also add that IMHO some bands have really really NO IDEA what another band's tradition were before 2000. And being that none of them know, most should wait to comment until they've done some homework because it embarasses the institution....I'll give you an example: "SU's style is the template for most of the SWAC"....BS. They've been the most dominant band for decades so people follow their route more often. It is what it is.
To add: Gibson has been bringing back some of the things the Ocean used to do and employ while still being who he is as a Director and from an alum point of view, that is commendable.
Yeah Prof Gibson marched for Alcorn...i dont think thats where he was going tho..I think he was referring to Gib's ability to see the ocean as his own band.(the point of view of an alumnus) although he didnt march in the ocean.
Jaren said:
I thought Gipp went to Alcorn?!
What if you had something that worked for you pre 1990 but strayed away from it for whatever reason..... Where does that leave you?
To answer the original question...you can't teach something that you don't know......its that simple!
"HOW CAN YOU UPHOLD TRADITION OR TEACH TRADITION IFYOU NEVER BEEN APART OF THE TRADITION"
i always seem to admire a school that only hires their own to operate the music program,but at the same time wonder how band A can talk about band Bs…
To answer the original question...you can't teach something that you don't know
Im guessing thats why Binaca's first statement was "you learn it"...............if Ohio state and Michigan can hire ppl who didnt go there and keep their traditions, i think the same can be done in our bands....and their traditions go back way before any of ours, just to be real........
Our directors that didnt go here learned the traditions, respected them and then enforced them.......ALL of the traditions to the T....
"HOW CAN YOU UPHOLD TRADITION OR TEACH TRADITION IFYOU NEVER BEEN APART OF THE TRADITION"
i always seem to admire a school that only hires their own to operate the music program,but at the same time wonder how band A can talk about band Bs…
you learn it, respect it and see that your students do the same...jackson's doin a pretty good job of it imo...idk about murray tho =p i kno evans at uapb doin good on the tradition thing...gipp at txsu...
but all our directors marched for GSU...(and i'll just stop there)
half of JSU's staff are graduates of JSU
"HOW CAN YOU UPHOLD TRADITION OR TEACH TRADITION IFYOU NEVER BEEN APART OF THE TRADITION"
i always seem to admire a school that only hires their own to operate the music program,but at the same time wonder how band A can talk about band Bs…
This is a good topic cuz i just got through talkin to my brother from PV and their director came from fam and wants to change their traditions or style and he doesnt care that the school has their own ways and i think he about to lose all his students and i feel were they are comin from cuz Prof. Greg built that program and now some random dude just comes and tears stuff down
exactly juke u can't teach something that u never experienced or were apart of.it's just like slavery u can read all the books in the world and watch every movie ever made.if u haven't experienced it or being told the story by a slave then the info that u r given is more than likely being watered down.
Jaren said:
I thought Gipp went to Alcorn?!
What if you had something that worked for you pre 1990 but strayed away from it for whatever reason..... Where does that leave you?
To answer the original question...you can't teach something that you don't know......its that simple!
This is an interesting topic, and a question that I have raised for many years...I feel that music departments should hire outside of it's program according to the skillset of the individual, BUT they should always make sure that persons that were breed within the organization are on staff as well...No one can teach you how to be yourself (tradition wise) if they haven't once been in your spot...Cant hold someone accountable for what they dont know...There are tons of traditions and ways from the Ocean that have been lost and long gone, its just the truth....I am proud of what they are doing and I really feel they are seeking to resurface remnants from height era of the past but it wouldnt be such a struggle if you have that good and informed link...thats for any program out there....
One minor correction from an earlier post, the Ocean's "original" marching style came from the University of Michigan. Wouldnt know that unless you spoke with the creator and or people from the great days, hence the original question that started this thread...Without directors, staff, etc from your past or history lessons of your program, things will and shall get lost...
This is an interesting topic, and a question that I have raised for many years...I feel that music departments should hire outside of it's program according to the skillset of the individual, BUT they should always make sure that persons that were breed within the organization are on staff as well...No one can teach you how to be yourself (tradition wise) if they haven't once been in your spot...Cant hold someone accountable for what they dont know...There are tons of traditions and ways from the Ocean that have been lost and long gone, its just the truth....I am proud of what they are doing and I really feel they are seeking to resurface remnants from height era of the past but it wouldnt be such a struggle if you have that good and informed link...thats for any program out there....
One minor correction from an earlier post, the Ocean's "original" marching style came from the University of Michigan. Wouldnt know that unless you spoke with the creator and or people from the great days, hence the original question that started this thread...Without directors, staff, etc from your past or history lessons of your program, things will and shall get lost...
"HOW CAN YOU UPHOLD TRADITION OR TEACH TRADITION IFYOU NEVER BEEN APART OF THE TRADITION"
i always seem to admire a school that only hires their own to operate the music program,but at the same time wonder how band A can talk about band Bs…
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but all our directors marched for GSU...(and i'll just stop there)
My thoughts on tradition are this: If what worked well for your band prior to 1990 was what had been established for at least 10yrs, don't change it. Improve on it and keep stepping and that's for any organization to keep it pure. Hiring alums first out of preference is NOT as universal as you might think or as feasible.
I must also add that IMHO some bands have really really NO IDEA what another band's tradition were before 2000. And being that none of them know, most should wait to comment until they've done some homework because it embarasses the institution....I'll give you an example: "SU's style is the template for most of the SWAC"....BS. They've been the most dominant band for decades so people follow their route more often. It is what it is.
To add: Gibson has been bringing back some of the things the Ocean used to do and employ while still being who he is as a Director and from an alum point of view, that is commendable.
What if you had something that worked for you pre 1990 but strayed away from it for whatever reason..... Where does that leave you?
To answer the original question...you can't teach something that you don't know......its that simple!
Jaren said:
Im guessing thats why Binaca's first statement was "you learn it"...............if Ohio state and Michigan can hire ppl who didnt go there and keep their traditions, i think the same can be done in our bands....and their traditions go back way before any of ours, just to be real........
Our directors that didnt go here learned the traditions, respected them and then enforced them.......ALL of the traditions to the T....
half of JSU's staff are graduates of JSU
Jaren said:
One minor correction from an earlier post, the Ocean's "original" marching style came from the University of Michigan. Wouldnt know that unless you spoke with the creator and or people from the great days, hence the original question that started this thread...Without directors, staff, etc from your past or history lessons of your program, things will and shall get lost...
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