TNT vs. SOP (T-Bone Battle) 2011
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PV people should be the last people to talk about wrong chords in music!!
t's called an ARRANGEMENT not a recomposition of the original score.
Poor guy. "The changes in the Simpsons" are what they are because they were written INCORRECTLY. You gonna try to justify some "94 sound" based on two children's themes that were created WELL BEFORE 94??? That's funny. I told you the fanfare was cool, but it was written incorrectly in that particuar section. Funny how you tried "to change it for the 94 sound" in said section but didn't in the rest of the fanfare. IT'S JUST WRONG DUDE. It's ok that you wrote it incorrectly. No one else plays it, and it would take a keen ear to even be able to point it out (as did I).
You keep saying TNT didn't play anything better than your train chord mirage, the proud family joint (which has doubled parts = octaves...I don't necessarily deem that as it's "own part, but ok, 6 it is), and the simpsons theme, with imperfections based on whomever arranged it. Oh yeah, and 20th century, again noting that it goes "deeper" (whatever that means, it was still wrong). In your opinion you felt those were all superior to anything PV played...but were they? Sure, based on your opinion. Again, I gave props on the Proud Family joint, and the Simpsons (with the mistakes)....everything else, I'll pass.
As I said from the jump, I'd give NEITHER section a W or L. PV was ready to go fanfare for fanfare, and ya'll chose to show us that you can play loud fully diminished chords chromatically, over and over, aside from the other 3 fanfares you chose to display. Nice "display of balance and blend"...that is if you're judging that balance and blend on the difference between forte and fortissimo. Real nice. Just settle man. This aint what you want. Haha...
p.s. The first thing I saw about JSU wanting to go after PV in the tunnel was on FB because an SOP member felt they didn't "do us like they really could have"...don't shoot the messenger.
lol, yeah, train chords are common knowledge, The skill comes in the display of balance and blend attack and release, but agin we don't even count those as fanfare. That's just like... How its done.
Proud family is a 6 part fanfare, not 5.
20th century is a 5 part fanfare
(Trust it gets deeper lol)
The changes in the simpsons are written how they were suppose to be played in 94. Brother, by my boss, it has the original "funky freight train" sound as the oldies all did ( fat Albert, sesame street, etc...) Which often used changes that the original music did not, as to make it diffrent from any other possible version of the fanefare or tune in general.....So you can try to analyze for days, but you have your interpretation of what you "would" have written, what have what it is brother. The high note on the gliss might be the only thing new but everybody in the section could pretty much hit that so whats this happy talk?? Lol
But they still didn't play Anything better than what S.O.P. played, Sry. And like I said, with the whole band playing, there is no contest. But they are good, just know it didn't happen for ya.
S.O.P.
OK. I was gonna chill, but obviously I'm gonna have to "flex" a little bit here.
@SOP, the Proud Family joint was nice. Actually didn't know what it was until yall just pointed it out here. Not a slight to you, just never watched the cartoon. But I really want to address this "simpsons" theme. I realize you all have created and arranged it in a way where you took bits and pieces of it to make a "condensed" arrangement. That's actually cool for what it's worth. But based on the sections you chose, it's written incorrectly on a few levels. The part leading into the B section (where someone is happy that they can play their high "b", and "c" using a glissando) is where my beef is with it. The tonic note is on top (C and B) of the glissando part when in fact the 3rd and 5th (E and G) of the tonic chord should be used in the soprano voicing according to the original arrangement (since you elected to use the original key). Additionally, the chords are wrong there as well. I'm definitely hearing an Eb on top, middle C below it, and definitely a F# on the bottom (with perhaps an A between it, and middle C), which I assume is a fully diminished chord you're trying to create, when clearly the C major chord with the lowered 5th should still be the principal chord there (as it is in section A). It IS a nice fanfare, and one of many fanfares SOP has that I actually enjoy (as a non member of their section and former section leader of the TNT), but if you're going to speak so highly of it, don't think there aren't those who are listening just a little bit closer to what it is you deem, "great".
On to these "4 part arrangement fanfares"...your featured train chord? 4 parts. You in fact use a 3 part major triad, chromatically descending to lead into what is the fully diminished "train chord", which is constructed on 4 notes using, using minor third intervals between each. Your proud family features sections with 4 parts as well. Bass line, 2 part harmony (breaking off into 3 part harmony), and a melody line, which then gives you credit for having 5 parts at one time as well...but so did TNT's first fanfare. Lead line, 3 part harmony, and a bass line. Believe it or not most experienced arrangers write this way. You guys aren't doing anything new, it's just your way of producing it that makes you who you are, and vice versa for any other section that uses that formula. The "Weak" fanfare they started? It has a bassline, 4 part harmony, and a lead line...that equals 6 parts right? But again, you'd have to consider EVERYTHING they're playing as opposed to what you "think" they're playing. They played another one called "Nawlins"...another 5 part arrangement. Your 20th century fanfare, the same idea as far as voicing goes (though that is not written correctly either...but I'll fix that at another time).
I'll tell you the same thing I told my guys (and gals). No one took an "L" here. Neither did anyone take a "W". It was about to be a blow-for-blow kind of affair. Ya'll were ready, and so were the kats in purple in gold. I'd like to see it go longer, and don't mind that you keep your traditions and wear out the train chord. The fact that you have several different ways to play it is unique in itself, but not fascinating by any stretch. If I used it that much I'd create variations of it as well. But please believe I have the utmost respect for your section (and that extends to about 3 sections entirely when it comes to HBCU bone sections). You all have initiated a challenge in the tunnel. I'm sure my guys will be looking forward to it. As an alum of this section, we've always welcomed a CHALLENGE. That is, because you all REQUESTED it. Not sure if you've either been flustered that someone actually had just as much fire as you did when it came to fanfares, or you're sensitive to the fact that you aren't the only ones who know how to construct an arrangement for one instrument. Either way, if the batt
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