Now many of you, like me, are on here every weekend. Some of you are a bit like this every 3-4 hours. broken-f5-button.jpgYeah, I'd admit it. Trying to get some footage the day of for some schools are like trying to drill for oil. And in most cases, I'd rather not keep my hopes up until the morning after. But for some of the better names (which will come up later as I mention them) do so happen to have a fanbase that is organized, or even quick enough to get it done as soon as the day comes to an end. But we're not here to talk about the method of how the footage gets here. We're going to talk about the stuff that's on the footage. I will go down the list from best to worst. And I will do it in a means that there will be little to no argument. I will highlight some of the good things and the bad things (and some of the ugly) and the ways that they can improve their sound. Again this is my honest OPINION so feel free to argue my thesis as long as you can provide a reasonable argument.

1. Southern

Yeah I know some of you are already trying to revolt, burn and pillage towns and assassinate head members of state as soon as I said this, but let me hit up the main reason why.

-GOOD: Pretty much got music in a basket. Their choreography (sometimes, though rarely the lack thereof) is in one accord. Their sound is consistent and many of their trumpets know how to scream in key, which as a section is not easy. Their musicality is something to behold and is often underrated due to how loud they can get. Which brings up another point.

-BAD: As much as I like their sound, one of the videos I saw, namely 'Love and War' against Prairie View, had 2 different points of view. Now when it comes to hearing Southern from the side they sound brilliant (I'll give them that), but from in front it just sounds as if there was a large wall of sound, and I could barely hear the intricate details that their arrangements have to offer. So their main issue is that they can crank but that they do it too often. It's okay to let some of the melody take the spotlight over the chords (I'm a keyboardist so you know I love chords out right) But just as easily as they can turn up, I would like to see them turn down every now-and-then. Drum line needs a touch-up.

2: Jackson State

Once again with the burning and pillaging, but hear me out on this one. JSU has became a force to be reckon with, more so than that of the previous years. I can easily say that they are the best match for Southern. But they also have a few things to improve on.

GOOD: "These niggas can play they ass off" would be an understatement of the fact that when they show up, they come with it. Sound has drastically improved the last two seasons. Chord structures of their arrangements are colorful and unique, I can tell that their arranger brushed up on his theory. Baritones and mellos have a very strong presence. Trombones lay their parts on thick. Trumpets are pretty decent. In speaking of trumpets...

BAD: The JSU trumpet section is very well trained in the art of tonging (get your mind out the gutter), but sometimes there's the occasional few that forget how. Overhangs are present every now and then. A few, repeat FEW, of their arrangements are musically blunt and sometimes uninteresting. Sometimes the baritones presence can be a bit overbearing and the amount of low brass that this band has can drown a melody causing the trumpets to overblow and compensate for the sound to cut across the field. Screamers can sometimes over shoot the notes and can cause the entire section to go off key.

3: Grambl-Bwahahaha just playing. Alcorn.

I hate to admit it, and I REALLY hate to admit it, but they sound a little decent this year. I literally tried to find bands who did better, but failed. So I'll man up and give credit to where credit is due. It would seem like all the schools in Mississippi are gaining a little weight in the marching band department. Alcorn is one such school, and this time they didn't let the numbers go to their heads (as of yet).

GOOD: Their sound has improved, especially since the last time my band went against them. They're bringing better sound and arrangements to the table. Their sections are becoming evenly balanced. Mellos... smdh. Y'all are LOUD. Aside from that...

BAD: Some can easily say that the sound that they create this season is that of a 2008-2011 Jackson State. But then again they do have their former band director. But with that fact, there is a major identity crisis. Alcorn is trying too hard to emulate JSU and not trying to emulate themselves. They need to work on self-identity. The trumpets section need some work. They can scream but some can't hold a tone. They need to work on that as a section so that they can hit the real JSU upside the back of the head.

EDIT: It has come to my attention that the band director who currently heads Alcorn (that previously headed JSU) is an individual who is trying to bring back the 90's Alcorn. Not saying that it is an identity crisis, but rather a clarification on what Alcorn should sound like. Many people are used to the Alcorn and JSU of the new millennium. So we let what has occurred during the past decade become our current understanding. My apologies to the old heads on the site and the institution they represent.

4: Alabama State

They hid many of their mistakes behind numbers last year, this year they have nowhere to run. And they're just fine with that. They took a loss and proceeded with business as usual.

GOOD: Their trombone section can be timid at times but when they come out they can do some significant damage. Many of their arrangements are pretty well rounded. Their mellophone section can hold it down. Trumpets can come out clean. Their loss of numbers don't let them slow down their stopping power.

BAD: Sometimes the trombones can drown out some of the more interesting parts within the music. Trumpets can also watch out for overshots. Being honest, I can barely hear the snares over the rest of the band and I really needed to hear that in order to get the groove that they put out. Their mellos, though good, can overhang at times. The woodwinds are in need of tuning. The band to me honestly doesn't stand out too much, just the sections within it.

5: University of Arkansas Pine Bluff

These guys are the type who can just get hit with a song and play back like two-to-three different versions of it. These guys have always piqued my interest when it comes to music.

GOOD: The variety that they bring to the table is commendable and more importantly needed. They come with a low brass section that has an intent to kill. Some of their arrangements are pretty basic but they know how to make them work. The ingenuity they have makes them a notable mention.

BAD: Sometimes the mellos need tuning. The upper brass is not exactly being drowned out at times, but rather not heard at all. They have the upper voices for many of their arrangements and they can do without overblowing. Sometimes I would really like to hear a little more of their mellos at times. Their baritones can be timid. The trombones don't really stick out as much as some other schools.

Now 6th is a two-way tie.

6a: Prairie View

These guys may have gone against a mighty foe and took an L, but at least they went down swinging. They may have lost numbers, but they don't let it get to them.

GOOD: Ditto on what I said above. When I saw the clips of how small they've gotten, I refreshed the video and tried to match the numbers with what I was hearing. They band in general isn't too impressive this year but they can still hold their own. Their drum line is clean. Their rhythms and concepts are on point and they can knock back many d-lines in the SWAC.

BAD: The main bad thing is that their numbers went down. What makes it worse is the fact that the drum line is now half the band's size. Sometimes I can hear more drum than music. They ride too much on their drum line, which I can understand is their pride-and-joy, but when the team scores, don't play a cadence.

6b: Mississippi Valley State Univerity

OH. MY. GAWD. What the hell have y'all been eating since I left? These guys are far from the talk of the SWAC, but they have surely turned heads this year. If you thought that I was joking when I said Mississippi bands put on weight, then this is a proud testament to my statement. Y'all came up, and I'm VERY proud.

GOOD: They got big, so big that they ran out of uniforms. It is a good thing because these guys have always been small, smaller than TXSU at that. They sound has drastically changed over the past year. They've gotten loud, which isn't exactly a good thing but it makes their presence known. They've always managed to get their sound across the field (look up the ChiTown Classic 2010 if you think I'm lying), but now they will be heard. Baritones are coming with it. Mellos have improved over the years. They now have screamers that can be heard ACROSS the field. Their drum line is starting to clean house. But there some things that need to be touched up on.

BAD: Don't let numbers get in your head (ask Bama State). The numbers are there for a season and then stuff happens and then you don't have as many. Try not to let it get to your head. Lengthen your arrangements for the 5th. Trumpets are good and loud, that means that your mistakes will be heard across the field. Band as a whole need to clean up. There are some discrepancies with the rhythm of some songs. Don't only play to be louder, play to be cleaner. Don't let other bands not showing up bring you down and come with it every game because you are being watched and even recorded. This level of consistancy is what I would like to see from here on.

8: Alabama A&M

These guys never really appealed to me nor have they ever grabbed my attention. But please by all means, overthrow your big brother Alabama State. I wanna see it happen for once. Clips of these guys are a rarity.

GOOD: You guys know how to articulate and your phrasing is very clean, perhaps too clean.

BAD: Once again, you guys are clean but sometimes you end up being so clean that the music itself can become so black and white. There is a melody, a harmony, a chord and that's it for you guys. You don't play with feeling. Music breathes, it feels, it touches, it moves. Play it as it is heard, not as it is written. The arrangements are that of a high school level.

9: Grambling

Has the world ended yet? If there is someone worse off than these guys, then it's time for me to get right because Jesus is coming. 

GOOD: Variety is good. The drum line is a saving grace. These guys can play when they want to. They've shown that they can. At the inaugurations, they can slaughter a parade. They have the capability of doing better, and yet...

BAD: What the hell is up with tuning? Whether it would be in the stands or on the field, you guys have got to tune your instruments better. Trumpets can't stay in key past eight measures, trombones in four. Whoever is your band director needs to find a means of getting you guys in that kill mode that you save up for the parades. If Valley can do better then so can you. Take criticism into consideration rather than letting your head get big.

10: Texas Southern

Yeah they sounds pretty bad this year, but they lost a LOT of numbers. They were already small to begin with, so for them to be placed down at the bottom is a bit of overkill. 

GOOD: They managed to retain their low brass.

BAD: No upper voices whatsoever. Way too many lows for a band this size. Overshooting notes in every direction. Many of the songs you play you act like you don't know the music to and I even had to do this...

UGLY: TUNING! Arrgh! I know that the numbers have dropped considerably, but take a lesson from FAMU and have every member pull their weight. You're small. You've always been. Meaning that you gotten a little smaller doesn't mean that you can sacrifice tone just for the desire to be heard. In fact this is where your technicality is supposed to be the main thing that you bring to the table.

UPSIDE: There is still much you can make adjustments to in the coming weeks, the end season is still in a good seven weeks. Take the time to reestablish yourselves. And these small numbers are only for a year.

That's my top-to-bottom-10 countdown for the week. Remember this is an opinion and it can be challenged at any given time. Until next week. See ya.

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  • I respect your in-depth analysis. But let me get two things clear:

    1) Alcorn does not sound like JSU of any year. Never will. And never will try.

    2) Alcorn's BD is a former JSU BD...BUT he marched for and graduated from Alcorn. He knows the true Alcorn style that many new SWAC heads can't remember or are too young to know..

    If you had reached far back enough in SWAC history, you might've said they have the sound of 91-94 Alcorn instead of making the mistake you did.

  • looking at that 5th quarter I'd take Valley over Alcorn this year

  • My mistake. I suppose I should have looked up the history of the band director and the school before saying the 'identity crisis' part. My sincerest apologies to you and Speedy. I'm not here to make enemies, only acquaintances. ^_^


    QuintessentialG said:

    I respect your in-depth analysis. But let me get two things clear:

    1) Alcorn does not sound like JSU of any year. Never will. And never will try.

    2) Alcorn's BD is a former JSU BD...BUT he marched for and graduated from Alcorn. He knows the true Alcorn style that many new SWAC heads can't remember or are too young to know..

    If you had reached far back enough in SWAC history, you might've said they have the sound of 91-94 Alcorn instead of making the mistake you did.

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  • Look, JSU has never emulated anything from Alcorn. I know it hurts but the analysis is on point. All JSU is saying is go back and find your own identity JSU has theirs and it doesn't change. I went to JSU games with my parents and what I see is the same entrance i.e. Get Ready, tiger run on, blowing and marching style of drum majors, J Settes ramp kick and so on. When Alcorn enters Veteran Memorial stadium the fans know what's JSU emulated and what's not and they react accordingly. All JSU is saying  find your own way back to your history and not through JSU! JSU DMs don't have and haven't had anything of Alcorn, however, there is video I viewed during some of Alcorn DM tryouts they tried to do some of JSUs DMs moves and they couldn't quite master them (specifically the move where JSU DMs jump up in the air with a quick kick and there are others. Even your GGs have tried to emulate the J Settes ramp kick  during entrance to games which the fans at VM reacted so let's not go here. I will just stop for NOW! Look at some the old JSU footage and you will see how JSU have just improved on TRADITION! What specific move(s) has JSU DMs emulated from Alcorn? 
     
    Speedy_Gonzales said:

    I get so tired of folk saying Alcorn trying to imitate JSU. A lie. Alcorn's history was set before JSU. Half on here writing this crap wasn't even thought of to know the power Alcorn had. Alcorn's has a director who went to Alcorn and is going back to their roots. Like it or not, JSU tend to imitate a lot of what Alcorn used to do INCLUDING DM entrances. So, sorry everything doesn't come from JSU.

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  • From DMs to Dancers to the sound and hair time show of the band. Alcorn is like Canton High Band. a baby boom. Save that Old Alcorn band mess because we've seen plenty old Alcorn clips on here abd Alcorn don't look or sound nothing like they did in the old days. Just take the truth and hope Alcorn finds itself back to its true identity that was lost over 10yrs ago.

    Murry left JSU only to go to Alcorn Alcorn and remove the flag girls. Change the drums to sound a like (who? The boom) and throw away the clarinets/flutes to only use piccolos. Lmao yea but that's returning the band to OLD ALCORN. Straight lies. That director is only doing what he knows best and that was What he learned at JSU! And to call out that mess about Alcorn going back to "power". Alcorn had power because they're band was dang near 2x the size as everybody else band lol that's why they had "volume". SU was half the size and had super power. JSU used to be super small and still gave a power punch when they felt the need. Alcorn was almost 300 strong back then. It was only natural that they played loud. That's not the case now. You're barely 150 and trying to play like you're 300 strong. That's called "blowing". And Alcorn didn't blow back then.

    My honest opinion Alcorn will never sound like the old Alcorn (which was a marvelous sound). The musicians that go there now can't play that well. The level of musicians recruited & interested in alcorn is like day & night compared to the old bands. Also the band staff is mediocre. He was named interim for a reason. (Not good enough to be head permanently)
  • Even if this were all true. Where are JSU's copyrights or IP rights to anything you mentioned above? It's like you're obsessed with watching Alcorn's clips to see what could haven been "stolen". Please.

    Mary Johnson said:

    Look, JSU has never emulated anything from Alcorn. I know it hurts but the analysis is on point. All JSU is saying is go back and find your own identity JSU has theirs and it doesn't change. I went to JSU games with my parents and what I see is the same entrance i.e. Get Ready, tiger run on, blowing and marching style of drum majors, J Settes ramp kick and so on. When Alcorn enters Veteran Memorial stadium the fans know what's JSU emulated and what's not and they react accordingly. All JSU is saying  find your own way back to your history and not through JSU! JSU DMs don't have and haven't had anything of Alcorn, however, there is video I viewed during some of Alcorn DM tryouts they tried to do some of JSUs DMs moves and they couldn't quite master them (specifically the move where JSU DMs jump up in the air with a quick kick and there are others. Even your GGs have tried to emulate the J Settes ramp kick  during entrance to games which the fans at VM reacted so let's not go here. I will just stop for NOW! Look at some the old JSU footage and you will see how JSU have just improved on TRADITION! What specific move(s) has JSU DMs emulated from Alcorn? 
     
    Speedy_Gonzales said:

    I get so tired of folk saying Alcorn trying to imitate JSU. A lie. Alcorn's history was set before JSU. Half on here writing this crap wasn't even thought of to know the power Alcorn had. Alcorn's has a director who went to Alcorn and is going back to their roots. Like it or not, JSU tend to imitate a lot of what Alcorn used to do INCLUDING DM entrances. So, sorry everything doesn't come from JSU.

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  • I thought it was a classy move on your behalf to edit your comment about Alcorn man.

  • Bro if you were at the game and saw the battle from beginning to end your opinion would be different trust me on that. Valley is getting better tho I can give them that, but sometimes clips don't give the overall view of the battle unless you were there and experienced it in person.

    Elijah said:

    looking at that 5th quarter I'd take Valley over Alcorn this year

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  • I'm so sick of these Boom Fanatics with this Alcorn trying to copy Jstate crap. If you worked somewhere for seven years of course you are going to implement things you've learned from there. In reality half the things Murray is doing are things we use to do in the past combined with we things he's learned from Jstate. Unlike most I'm not a hater. JSU has one of the best music deptments and have produced alot of talent from that pipeline, as well as Southern. Every band has borrowed something from someone, study your history if you think differently. As much as some bands would like to think they invented this sh_t that's just not the truth and their's no copyright on it because it just doesn't belong to you. Alcorn is steadily improving from what they use to be just a couple of years ago, if you can't acknowledge that fact you are really just a hater and an as_hole. I marched in the SOD 94,95,96, & 97 band by the way so I know what I'm talking about with this. 

  • Explain what you mean during the game? Alcorn. Didn't play much during the game besides when the football the scored that's normal, When Valley played call outs the Tubas played back maybe 2 baritones played 1 fanfare compared to Valley 6 & Alcorn Btones if your reading this NECK Is Not a Fanfare!! Smh make some or sum, Alcorn trombones held it down they played till the end I'll be looking forward to see them face off against JSU they get my props for continued play and they didn't sound bad Trumpets? Man they need work they didnt even stand up and Mellos didnt attempt to put they horns up after Valley Mellos played about 3-4 fanfares that was pretty much the whole 2-4th quarter till the 5th and that video is posted besides Valley playing Mr. Biggs back at Alcorn. during the 1st quarter U.O.E.N.O and Still Fly both bands only played during football scores so what do you mean his opinion would be different? Looks even worst now that its written out huh

    5thquarter feen said:

    Bro if you were at the game and saw the battle from beginning to end your opinion would be different trust me on that. Valley is getting better tho I can give them that, but sometimes clips don't give the overall view of the battle unless you were there and experienced it in person.

    Elijah said:

    looking at that 5th quarter I'd take Valley over Alcorn this year

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